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  • Donski
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 21

    Holley Distributorless Ignition Wiring

    I want to install Distributorless Ignition as per page 23 & 24 from 199r10555rev16. It shows the first four cylinders of rotation into four coils using Waste-Spark. What's the setting, or how does the ECU know that it needs to fire another crank rotation for the remaining cylinders in the firing order? Is it simply by selecting Waste Spark in the Ignition Parameters? Thanks.
  • Danny Cabral
    Administrator
    • Dec 2009
    • 35959

    #2
    Typical Holley DIS Custom Ignition Parameters:
    Ignition Type ........ ― "Custom"
    Crank Sensor Type ― "60-2" or "36-1"
    Sensor Type ........ ― "Digital Falling"
    Inductive Delay .... ― "adjusted per application" (← Synchronization info.)
    Timing Offset ....... ― "0°"
    TDC Tooth Number ― "9, 10, 11 or 12" (60-2) or "7" (36-1)
    Cam Sensor Type . ― "Single Pulse" (← If sequentially injected.)
    Sensor Type ........ ― "Digital Falling" (← If sequentially injected.)
    Output Setup Type ― "DIS Waste Fire"
    Dwell Time .......... ― "1.8 msec" (early coils) "2.4 msec" (late coils)

    Originally Posted by Danny Cabral
    FYI: Holley EFI now sells their own Dual Sync (LINK) & HyperSpark (LINK) Hall-Effect distributors.
    They're a small cap design, "plug & play" with Holley EFI, and no need for a modified Firing Order.
    The Dual Sync crank & cam sensor signals also provide sequential injection capability (MPFI applications).
    The Dual Sync is "plug & play" (into the 10-pin ignition connector on the EFI Main Harness), and both
    distributors require a CD ignition box (Instructions), unless the Dual Sync is used with a CNP ignition system.
    The MSD 6201 Digital 6A CDI box & 8253 HVC-2 coil are a great match.
    The MSD CD ignition box is wired as shown in the Holley EFI Wiring Manual:
    http://documents.holley.com/techlibr...10555rev17.pdf (Holley EFI Wiring Manual - Figure 11, Page 20)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM7r-DauCak (Holley EFI Dual Sync Distributor - YouTube Tech Video)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JpHlS1ymBc (Holley EFI HyperSpark Distributor - YouTube Tech Video)
    A Dual Sync blank cap is available, if the user decides to convert to Coil-Near-Plug/DIS later (no CDI box).
    Of course, the Dual Sync distributor can also be used as a crank and/or cam sync/oil pump drive unit.

    The Custom Ignition Parameters (in System Parameters) for the Holley EFI Dual Sync Distributor:
    Ignition Type ............. ― "Custom"
    Crank Sensor Type ..... ― "1 Pulse/Fire" (← Holley Dual Sync Distributor)
    Sensor Type .............. ― "Digital Falling"
    Inductive Delay .......... ― "100.0 usec" (← Synchronization info, adjusted per application.)
    Ignition Reference Angle ― "50°" (← Inherent Ignition Reference Angle & rotor-phasing of this unit.)
    Cam Sensor Type ........ ― "Single Pulse" (← "Not Used" for TBI, unless CNP ignition.)
    Sensor Type .............. ― "Digital Falling"
    Output Setup Type ..... ― "Points Output Fixed Duty Cycle (MSD)" (← MSD CD Ignition Box)
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    Holley CNP Smart Coils and/or GM LSx Ignition Coils:
    Output Setup Type ..... ― "DIS Coil On Plug" (← Holley CNP Smart Coils and/or LSx Ignition Coils)
    Dwell Time ................ ― "3.5-5.0 msec" (← See page 1 for Holley CNP coils, and page 3 for GM LSx coils.)
    https://www.holley.com/brands/holley...efi_dual_sync/ (Holley EFI Dual Sync Distributors)

    The Custom Ignition Parameters (in System Parameters) for the Holley EFI HyperSpark Distributor:
    Ignition Type ............. ― "Custom"
    Crank Sensor Type ..... ― "1 Pulse/Fire" (← Holley HyperSpark Distributor)
    Sensor Type .............. ― "Digital Rising" (← I prefer Digital Falling, LINK.)
    Inductive Delay .......... ― "100.0 usec" (← Synchronization info, adjusted per application.)
    Ignition Reference Angle ― "57.5°" (← Inherent Ignition Reference Angle & rotor-phasing of this unit.)
    Cam Sensor Type ........ ― "Not Used" (← This distributor doesn't have a cam sensor.)
    Output Setup Type ..... ― "Points Output Fixed Duty Cycle (MSD)" (← MSD CD Ignition Box)
    https://www.holley.com/brands/holley..._distributors/ (Holley EFI HyperSpark Distributors)
    https://www.holley.com/products/fuel.../parts/558-323 (Holley EFI HyperSpark Ignition Adapter)
    May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, Eagle 3.470" forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, Wiseco 4.200" forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232°-244° duration/.623" lift/114° LSA H/R camshaft, Trick Flow R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes SS dual 2.5" exhaust, SS off-road X-pipe, SS shorty headers, OEM smog pump converted vacuum pump, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, highly modified Ford 4R70W transmission, FTI 9.5"/3000 stall/triple disc TCC, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers trans crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.73 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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    • Donski
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2020
      • 21

      #3
      Perfect. Thanks.

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      • Donski
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2020
        • 21

        #4
        Another question. On page 23 of 199r10555rev16, in the ECU P1B connector it shows:
        EST A as being Green/White, whereas the wiring diagram of section 13 shows the ECU pin-out EST A as Yellow/White.
        EST B as Orange/White vs Green/White.
        EST C as Yellow/White vs Gray/White.
        EST D as Gray/White vs Orange/White.
        I figure I should follow the main schematic vs page 23?

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        • Donski
          Junior Member
          • Jul 2020
          • 21

          #5
          Holley DIS Wiring

          I'm trying to sort out which trigger wires to use. On page 23 of 199r10555rev16, in the ECU P1B connector it shows:
          ECU pin-out of EST A as being Green/White, whereas the wiring diagram of section 13 shows the ECU pin-out EST A as Yellow/White.
          ECU pin-out of EST B as being Orange/White whereas the wiring diagram of section 13 shows the ECU pin-out as EST B as Green/White.
          ECU pin-out of EST C as being Yellow/White whereas the wiring diagram of section 13 shows the ECU pin-out as EST C as Gray/White.
          ECU pin-out of EST D as being Gray/White whereas the wiring diagram of section 13 shows the ECU pin-out as EST D as Orange/White.
          I figure I should follow the main schematic vs page 23?

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          • Danny Cabral
            Administrator
            • Dec 2009
            • 35959

            #6
            https://forums.holley.com/showthread...1826#post71826 (Related Forum Post)
            May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
            '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, Eagle 3.470" forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, Wiseco 4.200" forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232°-244° duration/.623" lift/114° LSA H/R camshaft, Trick Flow R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes SS dual 2.5" exhaust, SS off-road X-pipe, SS shorty headers, OEM smog pump converted vacuum pump, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, highly modified Ford 4R70W transmission, FTI 9.5"/3000 stall/triple disc TCC, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers trans crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.73 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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            • Donski
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2020
              • 21

              #7
              Thanks. I appreciate it.

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