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  • fxr
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 7

    2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

    When engine rpm rise up 2800,  fuel injectors cut off and rpm come down. If I try hold rpm hi, rpm go up to 2800 then fall down, go up and down and so on.   That happen every time.

    Rpm never rise more than 2800.

    - Pulse Width Modulated – Returnless system

    - all handheld dash data looks fine.

    - no any errors.

     

     

    Engine is sbc 350 cid (Boss Hoss 355 hp).

    Distributor is Mallory Promaster 8360M.

    Coil is Mallory 8207M.

     

    Atomic tach signal is connect to coil -.

    Handheld dash setting are check many times, everytihing be correct.

     

    Need help!

     

     

     

     
  • msdtechsupport3
    msdtechsupport3
    • Feb 2006
    • 5097

    #2
    2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

    What has the rev-limiter in the Atomic been set to. 

    It sounds like you're hitting the limiter.
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    • fxr
      Junior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 7

      #3
      2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

      I was try many rev-limiter sets (5500, 7000, 14000 or so), nothing help.

      - when I test it rev-limitter become active only if set is 3000.

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      • xcarguy
        Member
        • Apr 2012
        • 87

        #4
        2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

        Fxr, 
         

         

        Are you using an MSD ignition box?  And what tachometer are you using? 

         

         

        I'm just wondering if you may need an MSD tach adaptor.

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        • fxr
          Junior Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 7

          #5
          2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

           

          - No MSD ignition box, no place where install it.

          - Tachometer is Autometer Pro Cycle.

           

          What is MSD tach adapter P/N ?

           

           

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          • xcarguy
            Member
            • Apr 2012
            • 87

            #6
            2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

            Fxr,

             

            Autometer tachs do not require a tach adaptor (as I understand it, tach adaptors are needed for certain tachs when using an MSD ignition box).  However, the injectors need an isolated 12 volt square wave signal to trigger the injectors.  This may be your problem.  Here's an excerpt from page 1 of the install manual:

             

             

            Note: The Atomic EFI requires an isolated 12 volt square wave signal to trigger the injection. An MSD The Atomic EFI requires an isolated 12 volt square wave signal to trigger the injection. An MSD Ready-to-Run Distributor (with tach output lead) or a CD ignition such as an MSD 6 Series Ignition Control.
             



             

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            • fxr
              Junior Member
              • Aug 2012
              • 7

              #7
              2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

               

              Thank you xcarguy, 

               

              Very good notice.

               

              but ...

                          

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              What RPM inputs are accepted?
              A magnetic, points or standard coil negative will work, but not a hall-effect 5V signal. The signal out of any MSD distributor or MSD Ignition Control Unit will suffice to supply an RPM signal for the Atomic. NOTE: An Ignition Control Unit is required with most applications.

               

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              If I am understand right, Mallory Promaster 8360M have magnetic pickup.

              Is it true that it don't work with Atomic Efi?  

               

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              • fxr
                Junior Member
                • Aug 2012
                • 7

                #8
                2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                 NOTE: An Ignition Control Unit is required with most applications

                 

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                Do that mean that 6 series ignition module is only way with Mallory distributor?

                 

                Have MSD any small distributor what can use without ignition module?

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                • xcarguy
                  Member
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 87

                  #9
                  2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                  I can't answer any questions knowledgably about the Mallory distributor.  All my components are MSD product.  As for an ignition box; it doesn't necessarily have to be placed in the engine bay.  All this said, I still think you should discuss the situation further with tech.

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                  • msdtechsupport3
                    msdtechsupport3
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 5097

                    #10
                    2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                    fxr wrote:

                     

                    - No MSD ignition box, no place where install it.

                    - Tachometer is Autometer Pro Cycle.

                     

                    What is MSD tach adapter P/N ?

                     

                     

                    The tach adapter is only needed when installing some tachs with an MSD Ignition box.  It would not be used for the Atomic.

                     

                    The MSD ignition box is really only required if the Atomic is going to control timing.
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                    • fxr
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 7

                      #11
                      2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                      No need for control timing.

                       

                      But I really want know why engine work only up to 2800 rpm.

                       

                      Is Atomic Efi broken or maybe trigger signal is wrong or what?

                       

                      If we buy new MSD distributor, which (small is better) model work without ignition module?

                       

                      And ...

                       

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                      What RPM inputs are accepted?
                      A magnetic, points or standard coil negative will work, but not a hall-effect 5V signal. The signal out of any MSD distributor or MSD Ignition Control Unit will suffice to supply an RPM signal for the Atomic. NOTE: An Ignition Control Unit is required with most applications.

                       

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                      MSD Atomic EFI Support  

                      "The MSD ignition box is really only required if the Atomic is going to control timing."

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                      If I am understand right, Mallory Promaster 8360M have magnetic pickup.

                      Do that mean that Atomic Efi work with Mallory if we don't use control timing?

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

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                      • msdtechsupport3
                        msdtechsupport3
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 5097

                        #12
                        2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                        The Mallory 8360M is just a COPY of our MSD Pro-Billet Ready-to-Run distributor.  It may use a magnetic pick-up within the distributor, however it is providing an amplified ignition output. 

                        This should work with the Atomic as long as the distributor is working correctly.
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                        • fxr
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 7

                          #13
                          2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                          Okay

                           

                          Engine is sbc:

                          is it so that MSD Ignition 8360 - MSD Pro-Billet Ready-To-Run Distributors

                          work with MSD Atomic Efi without ignition module?



                          And please answer to me fast than I can order correct distributor.



                          In here summer is really short.



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                          • msdtechsupport3
                            msdtechsupport3
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 5097

                            #14
                            2800 rpm and fuel cut off ...

                            Yes, the MSD Pro-Billet Ready-To-Run Distributor is PN 8360.  This will have a grey Tach output wire that will provide a clean RPM signal for the Atomic.

                             

                            Here is a link for this distributor:



                             
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