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    I have an old project in my shop that's been sitting for years. I took over the project and wired the whole car. It's a chopped '49 Cadillac with a Northstar engine. I was wondering if anyone had a startup file laying around for this Commander 950 EFI to run this engine. Fuel pump is operating correctly (coming back on while cranking). I have spark on all the factory Northstar coils, noid lights hooked up to injectors looks like a Christmas tree, but it won't start. I'm figuring ignition timing because I don't have the correct file for it. It a stock engine, so if anyone has a startup tune or even a running tune I could work off of, that would be great. The place that did them is no more and I tried Northstar performance and struck out there as well. Customer is an older gentleman and would really like to keep the Northstar in it. Any help is appreciated. Thank you!

  • #2
    Ensure the ignition timing synchronization is correct (LINK).
    http://forums.holley.com/showthread....ing-Holley-EFI (Ignition Timing Synchronization)
    CNP/COP/DIS & single coil/distributor ignition synchronization verification & troubleshooting information at the end of post #1.
    May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
    '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232-244 duration/.623" lift/114 LSA camshaft, TFS R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes dual 2.5" exhaust, off-road X-pipe, shorty headers, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, LenTech Strip Terminator wide-ratio AOD, 3000 RPM C6 converter, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers transmission crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.31 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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    • #3
      Thank you for your response. I have to go through that post. Only other issue that's got me is the Northstar has two crank sensors and one cam sensor and I don't know what fuel & spark map to load in to get it to run.

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      • #4
        Select, copy & paste Base Fuel & Timing Tables from another appropriate base calibration/Global File.
        May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
        '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232-244 duration/.623" lift/114 LSA camshaft, TFS R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes dual 2.5" exhaust, off-road X-pipe, shorty headers, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, LenTech Strip Terminator wide-ratio AOD, 3000 RPM C6 converter, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers transmission crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.31 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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        • #5
          I have no idea which one though. I've tried loading every GM map in and no fire. Not even a sputter.

          OK, so I figured out that the engine will run on carb cleaner. Voltage measured at the injectors when cranking is around 9 volts. I believe it's narrowed down to possibly the injectors aren't open long enough are aren't opening enough to allow fuel to go in. Is there any settings to adjust the injectors to change the way they spray?

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          • #6
            You can increase the injector pulse width while cranking. Andrew
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            • #7
              If you take the time to study this, you'll be a startup tuning expert, and read the "TIP" in post #6:
              http://forums.holley.com/showthread....6254#post36254 (Good Starting Advice Thread - Especially posts #2, #4 & #6.)
              May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
              '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232-244 duration/.623" lift/114 LSA camshaft, TFS R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes dual 2.5" exhaust, off-road X-pipe, shorty headers, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, LenTech Strip Terminator wide-ratio AOD, 3000 RPM C6 converter, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers transmission crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.31 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by andrewb70 View Post
                You can increase the injector pulse width while cranking. Andrew
                I can only find very little parameters I can adjust. This car has a Commander 950 gold heat sink. Possibly very old, very limited menus, and the startup files are labeled with mixes of numbers and letters so a few I can't make out what they are. This Northstar engine has a unique crank sensor/cam sensor design, firing order, Bank-To-Bank firing of the injectors. So as far as the spark and firing order, that seems to be fine since it'll run on carb cleaner. Just to get that signal from the ignition module so the ECU can translate that to fire of the injectors is the problem I'm having.

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                • #9
                  Maybe something in this thread will be a clue: https://forums.holley.com/showthread...5809#post45809 (Related Forum Post)
                  May God's grace bless you in the Lord Jesus Christ.
                  '92 Ford Mustang GT: 385"/6.3L SBF, Dart SHP 8.2 block, forged steel crankshaft & H-beam rods, forged pistons, Trick Flow Twisted Wedge 11R 205 CNC Comp Ported heads, 12:1 compression ratio, 232-244 duration/.623" lift/114 LSA camshaft, TFS R-Series FTI Comp Ported intake, BBK 80mm throttle body, Holley Dominator MPFI & DIS, Holley 36-1 crank trigger, MSD 1x cam sync, PA PMGR starter, PA 200A 3G alternator, Optima 34/78 Red battery, 100HP progressive dry direct-port NOS, R134a A/C, Spal Dual 12" HP 3168 CFM fans, Frostbite 3-core aluminum radiator, Pypes dual 2.5" exhaust, off-road X-pipe, shorty headers, Earl's -6AN fuel system plumbing, Walbro 255 LPH in-tank pump & Pro-M -6AN hanger, S&W subframe connectors, BMR upper & lower torque box reinforcements, LenTech Strip Terminator wide-ratio AOD, 3000 RPM C6 converter, B&M Hammer shifter, Stifflers transmission crossmember & driveshaft safety loop, FPP aluminum driveshaft, FPP 3.31 gears, Cobra Trac-Lok differential, Moser 31 spline axles, '04 Cobra 4-disc brakes, '93 Cobra booster & M/C, 5-lug Bullitt wheels & 245/45R17 M/T Street Comp tires.

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                  • #10
                    I read through that and it even make me more believe it's a software issue. I have the factory Northstar ignition module with the 4 double coils and the harness all plug & play to the injectors, sensors, ignition module, etc. When I hook the laptop up I don't have a startup file labeled Cadillac Northstar Gen 1. I don't think the injectors with operate properly off an LS1, LT1, or any of the standard MPI files I have in there. I firmly believe the problem is the startup file. I don't know if I can't ditch the whole thing and put a reluctor wheel on the crank with one crank sensor and set it up like an LS?

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